Project 2022: Pantheon

[warfelg]

I personally would rule out T-Rex, based on the sole reason that that they haven't built one yet and right now they theorize that it can push over 300 feet.
B&M typically does not make turns that tight on Giga's, and their footers are spaced out.
Mack builds close footers, just recently pushed over 200 feet.
Intamin can certainly does it an uses closer footers, starting to work their way back into SEAS.
S&S/Vekoma shouldn't be 100% ruled out.

A slight side note on the footers thing:
When submitting a plan like that, the box is going to be the entire effected area. Does not mean that's the actual size of the footers will be that big. When building in a buffer, it's not just the surface, but it's the sub surface and all the effected areas thanks to that construction.

 

[Zachary]

Will the entrance be from an existing hamlet? If so will it be Festa or San Marco? I'm guessing San Marco. Any chance this could still be part of a new hamlet? I would still much prefer this being the centerpiece of a new hamlet!

It's really too early to know. ?

 

[Ice]

I hope this isn't just a 300 foot version of Apollo's. For that matter, I hope this isn't anything like most gigas out there. After the failure of DF, BGW is in need of something Kumba-esque, so maybe a giga-looper type deal? Idk what I am thinking they should do I just don't think they need an airtime coaster with Apollo's and Invadr providing both types of airtime. Something thrilling to fill the void left by DF would be awesome.

 

[Zachary]

I'd contend that BGW still lacks intense, RMC/Intamin-style ejector. I'm really hoping this isn't a B&M because, frankly, I don't think B&M can really offer BGW much that they don't already have.

 

[warfelg]

I hope this isn't just a 300 foot version of Apollo's. For that matter, I hope this isn't anything like most gigas out there. After the failure of DF, BGW is in need of something Kumba-esque, so maybe a giga-looper type deal? Idk what I am thinking they should do I just don't think they need an airtime coaster with Apollo's and Invadr providing both types of airtime. Something thrilling to fill the void left by DF would be awesome.

Meh....I slightly disagree. With Griffin, Alpie, Nessie you got 3 loopers. Bolt and Invadr are both more family friendly coasters. Another one on the level of Apollo would be a good addition. I would argue another looper/inverter isn't needed.

I know I've said this before but what I think that BGW is going to need to add to their collection to nicely round this out: A giga, a longer woodie, a compact family coaster (wild mouse/non-inverting raptor).

 

[Ice]

I should've been more clear in what I meant, I was essentially saying in an indirect way that a thrilling coaster would be appreciated. So as long as Intamin or even Mack try to make this ride, it will not disappoint. Skyrush isn't tall but still manages to be amazingly thrilling. If this was even just a taller version of that, this ride could quickly soar to the top of most enthusiast's favorite lists.

I think a giga looper would be cool simply because it hasn't really been done (for good reason, $$$$$) but as long as they bring something in that is intense and thrilling, which they lack, this will be great.

Another thing, I don't like how we are in a time where someone can just build a coaster over 300 feet tall, and it is automatically regarded as awesome. I think simply saying "they need a giga" isn't good enough, this should be a great ride. BGW needs a ride they can throw in people's faces and smash ratings with, like Apollo used to do. And just being tall won't do that. It will impress in the short term, and quickly fade away. Rides like Millenium and Fury are constantly talked about because yes they are tall but they are also fantastic rides, even if they weren't 300 feet. I would love to see BGW make a splash and finally dip their toes into the world that Cedar Fair dominates; pleasuring coaster enthusiasts thoroughly.

 

[CoasterAuditor]

Count me as one of the folks who does not want a B&M Giga. It's not the worst thing at all that Fury 325 and Leviathan went up at parks that already have B&M Mega Coasters I mean it's just like building multiple wooden coasters at a park and we have never batted an eye at that but I just love how BGWs coasters all have a unique aspect to them and a B&M Giga having the same exact train as Apollo's Chariot, but larger and more intense would be redundant but at the same time I'll probably love whatever does go up. Just hoping for a Mack or Intamin. Also think there's a 0% chance it's an RMC T-Rex considering there's zero of them and a giga as the first one would be quite insane for a prototype.

 

[halfabee]

Will the entrance be from an existing hamlet? If so will it be Festa or San Marco? I'm guessing San Marco. Any chance this could still be part of a new hamlet? I would still much prefer this being the centerpiece of a new hamlet!

There's an interesting stub sticking out on the northwest corner of the site plan. It is the logical place for truck and equipment access to the site, so that's all it may be. Or maybe not, if the existing San Marco backstage gets rejiggered.

The Rapids train crossing seems like another logical place. Sure seems out of the way though. Somewhat reminiscent of another big ride BGW installed roughly a quarter-century ago in a somewhat remote corner of the park. Of course, location was ultimately the least of its more substantial problems.

In between those two spots, you contend with somehow clearing the train tracks on one side or the other of Festa station. Gotta have wheelchair access, so that's another bridge...

If handed the magic wand, I'd put the entrance in San Marco, just south of the existing vehicle access road.

But looking at the Rapids train crossing, doesn't it look like vehicle access is being shifted to the west a bit? To accommodate... something?

 

[mtpelepele]

I just want it to be the unholy love child of I305 and Hyperion.

 

[warfelg]

I think a giga looper would be cool simply because it hasn't really been done (for good reason, $$$$$) but as long as they bring something in that is intense and thrilling, which they lack, this will be great.

This one comes down to the forces more than the cost. Inverting at those speeds would massively increase forces.

 

[..…]

While I'm excited for the project, it would also be nice if Festa would get an upgrade for the occasion (even if it were something super simple like opening a thru passage). I feel so bad for Festa, having to sit there watching other projects happen while getting no love itself...

 

[Ice]

This one comes down to the forces more than the cost. Inverting at those speeds would massively increase forces.

Which in turn increases the cost, since you need more materials to account for those forces and strain. It would be a lot of steel to have inversions with that much speed.

On a side note, the more I look at this plot of land, if the ride doesn't cross the river idk how it can be 300 feet tall. It isn't that much space when you compare it to how much space Apollo's first hill takes, the entire layout of Alpie, and then look at the size of Griffon's space even though it is a 90 degree drop.

Unless the lift hill is super steep and the drop is banked, this first drop cannot be that tall, unless it crosses the river, or stretches out to the river (crossing the tracks) instead of using the tracks as a boundary.

 

[804Shawn]

I'm hoping this is not an Intamin...I'm hoping for either a Mack, RMC, or B&M!

 

[Nicole]

As much as I want a new, large coaster, I am a bit worried about the animals. I hope this doesn't mean that BGW is going to get rid of everyone who lives in a pasture.

 

[Adam]

Which in turn increases the cost, since you need more materials to account for those forces and strain. It would be a lot of steel to have inversions with that much speed.

On a side note, the more I look at this plot of land, if the ride doesn't cross the river idk how it can be 300 feet tall. It isn't that much space when you compare it to how much space Apollo's first hill takes, the entire layout of Alpie, and then look at the size of Griffon's space even though it is a 90 degree drop.

Unless the lift hill is super steep and the drop is banked, this first drop cannot be that tall, unless it crosses the river, or stretches out to the river (crossing the tracks) instead of using the tracks as a boundary.

I'm not sure how they would go about fitting a 300'+ tall coaster in that area (or if they are even still planning on going that tall), but one thing I would we willing to bet on is the site plan that was submitted shows the full extent of the ride. I have a strong feeling that the black boundary line going around the site is the limits of disturbance/construction, based on site plans I've seen in the past. With that said, the coaster will likely just fit within that boundary.

Edit: the black boundary is actually the limits of the survey. If they don't have survey in certain areas they won't extend construction to those areas (unless they got additional survey done, which I would think is unlikely)

 

[Ice]

I'm not sure how they would go about fitting a 300'+ tall coaster in that area (or if they are even still planning on going that tall), but one thing I would we willing to bet on is the site plan that was submitted shows the full extent of the ride. I have a strong feeling that the black boundary line going around the site is the limits of disturbance/construction, based on site plans I've seen in the past. With that said, the coaster will likely just fit within that boundary.

Then there is no way a 300' tall roller coaster will fit there. Perhaps the 300' waiver is for something other than this coaster. The space is big enough to fit just Apollo's lift hill, let alone the first drop.

Unless they somehow have figured a way to make an extremely compact tall boy

 

[warfelg]

To the people saying there’s no space without crossing the Rhine I think there’s one path we’ve never talked about:
Crossing Apollo and going out over the entrance into the lots.

 

[Ice]

To the people saying there’s no space without crossing the Rhine I think there’s one path we’ve never talked about:
Crossing Apollo and going out over the entrance into the lots.

I HIGHLY doubt they would do this. Busch likes to keep the theming, and building a ride on a parking lot is a Six Flags move, not a BGW move. Also, as @kingadam said, the ride is most likely confined to the area shown, so I know retract my theory of extending across the river or spilling further towards the construction entrance.

 

[Logang]

While I'm excited for the project, it would also be nice if Festa would get an upgrade for the occasion (even if it were something super simple like opening a thru passage). I feel so bad for Festa, having to sit there watching other projects happen while getting no love itself...

I'm hoping this addition will be like what KD did with Twisted Timbers. Reinvigorating an area while also adding in a new ride.

 

[horsesboy]

As much as I want a new, large coaster, I am a bit worried about the animals. I hope this doesn't mean that BGW is going to get rid of everyone who lives in a pasture.

The park has recently added a few new animals it seems strange that they would do that if they were planning on removing in the next few years but it's BGW so anything is possible.