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Gavin

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As pointed out on Reddit, SEAS has applied for three new trademarks. “Twisted Tiger” (SN:87857625), “Tigris” (SN:87857620), and “Uproar” (SN:87857631) were all filed on March 30, 2018 under “Entertainement Services” with the USPTO.
 
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RE: SEAS Files for New Trademarks-March 2018

Twisted Tiger and Tigris are giving me Storm Chaser vibes. Sounds like the Lion side could be getting the boot. “Uproar” is the only name that really gives me that dueling idea. Kind of scared for how this turns out.
 
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RE: BGT Project 2019

I think this would be the 3rd of the 3 clones they promised to build (reportedly).

Personally I think that the Gwazi structure has gone SBNO a little too long to use it for an RMC'd Gwazi. I think that it might cost quite a bit, and as the article pointed out, an already designed ride won't cost them as much, and for a park with financial problems, having something to promote while not spending huge on development can help them.

But....I'm not willing to rule out an RMC.
 
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RE: BGT Project 2019

is there specified amount of time a ride has to go SBNO before it cant be reused or rethemed? But anyway to me I think twisted tiger and tigris are just too close in name i could see them getting easily confused but maybe its just me lol .
 
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RE: BGT Project 2019

Peej1212 said:
is there specified ride to go SBNO before it cant be reused or rethemed? But anyway to me I think twisted tiger and tigris are just too close in name i could see them getting easily confused but maybe its just me lol .
No. Just a guesstimate that open untreated wood in the Florida humidity and rain that lead to a rough ride before isn’t really going to get any better.
 

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RE: BGT Project 2019

I'm in the Skyrocket II camp as well right now. I'd love to see RMC Gwazi, but I think it's doubtful given the investment we've seen from SEAS lately.

I saw Coaster-net reporting that Busch Gardens Tampa dropped 1% in attendance the year they opened Cobra's Curse and SeaWorld Orlando's attendance dropped 6% the year they opened Mako. I imagine this has to tell SEAS that coasters won't bring the attendance spikes they need at these properties to continue big reinvestment.
 

Zimmy

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RE: BGT Project 2019

damn money getting in the way.
 
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RE: BGT Project 2019

I’m not one to like Taylor, but he brought up some fantastic points that are worth taking a look at.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yL4mADfb9bc
 

Zimmy

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RE: BGT Project 2019

his house analogy is a gross oversimplification and not at all typical of what happens in the business world.
 
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RE: BGT Project 2019

Zimmy said:
his house analogy is a gross oversimplification and not at all typical of what happens in the business world.
It’s meant to be simplified. Businesses are attracted to buying other corporations that have value. A SBNO ride lowers the park’s value tremendously. Sprucing it up as an RMC will shoot the value and profits through the roof. Businesses will be like, “Hey, that park has an RMC, the value is good, and their attendance is increasing”. It’s the same premise in the business world.
 

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RE: BGT Project 2019

MadridBot said:
Sprucing it up as an RMC will shoot the value and profits through the roof. Businesses will be like, “Hey, that park has an RMC, the value is good, and their attendance is increasing”. It’s the same premise in the business world.
There isn't actually any data to suggest this.

Mako and Cobra's Curse both ushered in attendance declines. It's possible that even huge new attraction additions from SWO and BGT simply pale in relevance compared to those being added to the other parks in the area and, hence, don't make any financial sense for those properties.

Something relatively cheap like a Skyrocket II could honestly result in the same outcome for BGT as RMC Gwazi when both are put up against major, immersive new products from Disney and Universal.

Honestly, from the point of view of an adverage guest, compare a multi-launching coaster with the tallest inversion in the state to a huge, new, first of its kind, immersive land themed to Star Wars. Now compare that same land to a multi-inversion hybrid coaster conversion of a ride most guests hated.

The gap in perceived quality of both of these options is so incredibly vast that it likely doesn't even matter what BGT tries to counter Star Wars land with—they are doomed to irrelevance either way.
 
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RE: BGT Project 2019

There's very little other industries where you make your moves based on what other parks do.

Now that Disney and Universal are getting more into the coaster business, the remaining parks in the area are doing everything else in comparison to what those two do. It's not like the Central Va, where CF finds out BGW is getting a good GCI; so you have to one up them with a RMC.

In Central Florida, your mindset has to be "how can we attract a family to go one day off property". Especially in Tampa, which is more a retirement city than a family city, you have to do even more to make yourself be 'different' while knowing you aren't a major part of a trip (outside of enthusiasts). I agree with Zachary --- an RMC, with the investment it would take to rebuild parts, change, and convert, is so high, along with the unlikely bump it would give is unlikely. With the rumored 3 coaster Skyrocket II deal, the need to add something, and the low cost; that would be the best option.

If SEAS ever did a RMC, I rather them take down Gwazi completely, and get a ground up RMC.
 
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RE: BGT Project 2019

Zachary said:
MadridBot said:
Sprucing it up as an RMC will shoot the value and profits through the roof. Businesses will be like, “Hey, that park has an RMC, the value is good, and their attendance is increasing”. It’s the same premise in the business world.
There isn't actually any data to suggest this.

Mako and Cobra's Curse both ushered in attendance declines. It's possible that even huge new attraction additions from SWO and BGT simply pale in relevance compared to those being added to the other parks in the area and, hence, don't make any financial sense for those properties.

Something relatively cheap like a Skyrocket II could honestly result in the same outcome for BGT as RMC Gwazi when both are put up against major, immersive new products from Disney and Universal.
Sure, but a Skyrocket II will look like a weasel compared to whatever Universal is doing for IOA. The thing about Gwazi is that most Floridians know about it. The millions of people that visit the park each year see a SBNO wooden coaster. They question it. Opening Gwazi back up with a new inovated layout could bring in a bunch of old comers, as well as put the park on the International map. Twisted Colossus for example brought a 6% increase in profits during the 1st quarter of the 2015 Fiscal year. Profit boosts like that can put SEAS back on their feet. One of the reasons why Mako might have failed to succeed is because people don’t go to SeaWorld to ride coasters. They go to see the aquatics. Cobra’s Curse might’ve failed due to the fantastic marketing of the refurbished Incredible Hulk. The marketing for Cobra’s Curse had nothing on The Incredible Hulk. Had Busch gotten the hyper and SWO gotten the spinning coaster, the attendance of the two parks could’ve been very well increased. I think SEAS just added the two attractions at the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
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