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RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

Bring Back Questor 87 said:
It's funny when I mentioned this as a possibility a couple weeks ago, I didn't read as many posts of negativity. It seems like as soon as people saw any likeness of this (speculated ride) to something at a Six Flags park, it was all over, hell has come. This Premier Rides concept also exists overseas at Holiday Park, and no one cried then.

No one cried because the ride was being cloned in Europe, and at a park that doesn't have the sort of reputation to uphold like BGW. If it was going into KD I wouldn't mind since they don't have to worry about having clones of coasters as long as other parks in their advertising range do not already have.

BGW's reputation and the fact that they have gone out of their way on all their major e-ticket additions to make them 100% unique and literally uncloneable elsewhere in the world shows just how much draw they want to have in the US. Sure other parks have similar rides but BGW's are unique! You won't get the same experience in Illinois, New Jersey, or even California and Florida. That's why they advertised so far up the east coast back in 2007, because Griffon was one of only two coasters of its kind in the western hemisphere, and it was completely different than Sheikra.

Building a major roller coaster as an E-ticket that has already been built elsewhere in the US, and as mentioned Europe, too. Shows how far the park has slipped since Verbolten and just how focused they are on gate clicks instead of giving guests a one-of-a-kind experience without actually having to go and visit Europe themselves. It doesn't matter how much they invest in theming and it especially doesn't matter what the ride looks like, because if it's something that could easily be installed in another park, especially their regional rivals KD and SFA, then the park is so far beyond hope that you could probably expect something like a Boomerang to go into New France next.
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

b.mac said:
Building a major roller coaster as an E-ticket that has already been built elsewhere in the US, and as mentioned Europe, too. Shows how far the park has slipped since Verbolten and just how focused they are on gate clicks instead of giving guests a one-of-a-kind experience without actually having to go and visit Europe themselves. It doesn't matter how much they invest in theming and it especially doesn't matter what the ride looks like, because if it's something that could easily be installed in another park, especially their regional rivals KD and SFA, then the park is so far beyond hope that you could probably expect something like a Boomerang to go into New France next.
Don't give Scott ideas.
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

Disregard the location (which is awful), the ride itself (which is thoroughly mediocre at best), and pay attention to what the real problem with this rumor is: Capacity. In light of what a travesty it is, the rest is completely and totally inconsequential.

Superman Ultimate Flight can only run a single train that holds twelve riders per train. Assuming they can get a train unloaded, loaded, and launched all in 30 seconds and every seat on every train is filled, by my calculation, taking into account that the ride cycle itself is 50 seconds, that gives Superman Ultimate Flight a theoretical operating capacity of 540 guests per hour. That is absolutely, laughably abysmal.

For comparison using my same 30 seconds for unload, load, and the all-clear, Verbolten does over 2,200 riders per hour. Plus, because trains load and unload simultaneously and my calculation doesn't even attempt to take that into account, my estimate is actually quite low.

Lets look at some of the park's other coasters, shall we? Again, all using my 30 second unload, load, and all-clear number and assuming full trains with all trains running.

Loch Ness Mosnter: 1,680 guests per hour
Alpengeist: 1,820 guests per hour
Apollo's Chariot: 1,760 guests per hour
Griffon: 1,800 guests per hour
Grover's Alpine Express: 720 guests per hour


Let me say that again: Assuming full trains and 30 second load times, Alpine Express' capacity is vastly higher than that of Superman Ultimate Flight's at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom. Look, if the park is, in fact, going this route, they have clearly lost all care and consideration for guest experience. There is simply no excuse for installing an Ultimate Flight clone at an even slightly notable theme park.

I hope BGWfansite is lying through their teeth- I really do- because, to be completely and 100% honest with you all, it matches perfectly with everything we know and, furthermore, I really don't have much reason not to believe them. What makes it all the worse is that a Superman Ultimate Flight clone has popped up as a possibility time and time again- I had heard whispers that it would be just that during Howl-O-Scream last year but, believe it or not, I didn't believe them because I sincerely believed that Busch Gardens Williamsburg would never actually stoop that low. I'm known to be consistently negative about many things, but even I thought the park still held themselves to some bar above that of a Six Flags park. I guess this is my miniscule amount of faith I had left in the park coming back to bite me in the ass. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised- I've been predicting it from the sidelines for years- even I hate to believe it to be true though. :(

If this isn't a complete fabrication (which I'm inclined to believe it's not) the park is in an unimaginably bad place- not even I, with my notorious cynicism, could have ever seen this coming.
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

To get nice things you have to have money. If you have no money you can't have nice things.
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

The Zamperla swing would be an improvement over this PR.

If the park has less than 10 million dollars to spend on ride hardware for 2015, they don't have enough money to add a coaster to a Busch Gardens park.

This is a move of pure desperation.
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

Is it too late to hope that they save the $ for 1 more year? With all the hopes of adding to the pot for a MACK Mega? (One of those squirreling through the woods of BGW would be epic!)
 
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RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

This is what we know is happening in 2015:

[tweet=https://twitter.com/BGWFans/status/456279146230845440]

I still desperately want to believe that this is not a coaster.
 
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RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

Now, we've all been focusing on this clone coaster as it fits in that space (poorly, but it fits). Now, we should look at what other coasters would fit in that tiny tiny area. Just as a prediction: there probably aren't many others. So, my best guess is that it won't be a coaster. That space is just WAY TOO SMALL, and it is scarily close to AC. I just feel that a coaster would not be a logical addition to the park in that area. :)
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

Well you know rumor has it Holiday World is removing Pilgrims Plunge/Giraffica...that is about the same height as this mystery project. Maybe BG is buying the "used" ride at a discount. :madness:
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

Hey, be happy! :D Think about it this way. It's not going to be a bad coaster, it's going to be fun, and it'll be the first coaster in the park to invert and have lap bars. Just my opinion. ( Ignore everything that's bad about it.)
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

Connor said:
Hey, be happy! :D Think about it this way. It's not going to be a bad coaster, it's going to be fun, and it'll be the first coaster in the park to invert and have lap bars. Just my opinion. ( Ignore everything that's bad about it.)
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RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

In case anyone was wondering about the Premier coaster if it happens. A dual loading setup for that kind of coaster would actually hurt capacity, because it'd take extra time to move the tracks into place and the loading procedure would just be all kinds of screwed up with attendants just waiting for the other train to finish a cycle.
 
RE: Project 2015: 156ft Tall Festa Italia Attraction

If there is a new coaster coming I would like to see where it would all go. 156 feet is a medium sized coaster and it would either be all above the walk way or somehow be in the animal section over the railroad tracks
 
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dude205 said:
If there is a new coaster coming I would like to see where it would all go.  156 feet is a medium sized coaster and it would either be all above the walk way or somehow be in the animal section over the railroad tracks
The coaster we are discussing has a footprint of about 200 linear feet and would probably fit in your backyard.
 
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