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Rumor: B&M to Debut Third Generation Stand-up Coaster

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So, my understanding was that in addition to the obvious physical damage caused by the seats and OSTRs, one of the problems with stand-up coasters was the inherent inability to heart-line the trains. While I openly admit that I am not an engineer, I don't see how B&M could have fixed that problem.

I hope no US park decides to purchase one of these.

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05/05/17 at 08:27am in Rumor: B&M to Debut Third Generation Stand-up Coaster (Latest Edit: 05/05/17 at 08:29am by MAZ.)
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The only way to fix that problem would be to make the shoulder restraints stationary, and the bike seat/ footing level adjustable.

Edit: well, maybe not the ONLY way. But whatever.

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I'm inclined to agree with Nicole, but I have to think that it's more than likely a Chinese park that is purchasing this coaster if anyone is actually buying it at all.

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(05/04/17 04:54pm)RollyCoaster Wrote:  As the minority, I don't hate Stand-ups. I'm a fan of Georgia Scorcher, and am a huge fan of Green Lantern. Vortex is okay, I enjoyed Shockwave, though I'd say Apocalypse is complete trash. I'm a fan of the stand-up model coming back, especially with the new restraints. I don't have a problem with the current restraints (Except on Apocalypse my god), but could see the reason of change. I, unlike others, would be thrilled if Stand-ups were manufactured again. I do think, with the new restraints, they should also tinker around with the train mechanics (Making dispatch times much quicker). Thanks for the info Shane, it's good to hear the manufacture improving it's older, yet effective (imo) model.

I have similar feelings, how tall are you? I'm 6'1. WE could just be "the right height" or something.

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05/05/17 at 06:21pm in Rumor: B&M to Debut Third Generation Stand-up Coaster (Latest Edit: 05/05/17 at 06:22pm by RollyCoaster.)
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5'10. I always give an inch of room between myself and the bicycle seat, and never have a problem. Tilt your head to the forward a little bit (This doesn't apply to Apocalypse, at all...) and for the most part, I always have a fantastic experiance on Stand Up Coasters (Not Apocalypse).

I do not like Apocalypse

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Perhaps B&M is rethinking not just the trains for their standup coasters, but the layout for them as well?

I think the main problem I've experienced with the B&M standups is that they utilize a layout that is very similar to their loopers and floorless coasters, meaning they subject riders to lots of tight turns and cumbersome maneuvers. The pain I experience on these rides comes almost entirely from the brutal side-to-side movements as the trains shuffle through these complex, twisted layouts. When you're standing up, you can't brace for those elements as you can when you're seated, so your body takes a beating.

However, standup coasters are actually quite fun when they're not contorting themselves through such elements. I've found that standup coasters are best enjoyed when they're moving in straight lines. The first drop on most standup coasters is fun, creates a unique sensation, and is pretty much pain-free. The same goes for vertical loops, which cause a really astounding and indescribably fun force when standing. Even Shockwave's first drop and vertical loop were smooth and thrilling, and TOGO standups are arguably much worse than B&Ms.

So, how would the standup experience present itself on a layout more similar to that of a hyper? Specifically, I could see the standup concept working successfully on a layout that almost explicitly travels straight forward, relying on drops and airtime hills rather than twists and turns. Imagine riding Apollo's Chariot standing up, but with a vertical loop or two thrown in there.

Maybe the problem with standups isn't just the trains, or the layout- but both? And if they both got fixed, maybe, just maybe standups could finally provide an enjoyable ride that's more than just a painful gimmick?

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I don't foresee this theoretical new stand up coaster having a layout similar to previous stand ups. If you look at the direction B&M has gone in the past few years they have all been very sweeping designs. I think Banshee is a perfect example, it's layout looks nothing like other Inverts and is more akin to the Wing Riders and Dove Machines with its stretched out inversions and sweeping turns. I'm imagining that something similar will happen with this proposed new ride.

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