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07/22/13 at 01:11pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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Apollo's Chariot uses clamshell restraints which are designed to fit snug onto people's thighs and pinch flat to their waist preventing movement. If their stomach restricts the movement of the restraint then they will be denied ability to ride.
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07/22/13 at 01:29pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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(07/22/13 01:04pm)Shane Wrote:  I don't really know what a seat belt would actually do in this situation, but perhaps they are necessary for all lapbar style coasters.

Easy. If it is on the sides of the restraint and tightened it could prevent full release. If it is under the lap bar then it would prevent the occupant from leaving the seat in the event of a lapbar malfunction.
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07/22/13 at 02:23pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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(07/22/13 01:11pm)b.mac Wrote:  Apollo's Chariot uses clamshell restraints which are designed to fit snug onto people's thighs and pinch flat to their waist preventing movement. If their stomach restricts the movement of the restraint then they will be denied ability to ride.

This. I remember seeing a man try to ride on opening weekend and was denied. While he fit easily in the seat the protrusion of his large belly prevented the restraint from clicking at all. And two ride-ops even tried to push down using their body weight. If all the restraints do not go down at least two clicks the ride won't dispatch.
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07/22/13 at 11:27pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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Quote:I can see that...freedom of movement. But at the same time, I don't want to be so FREE as to go flying like Superman on a big hop. I'd much rather feel tight and snug on these things.

Most coasters can operate safely without shoulder harnesses. More parks are moving away from them since they really aren't completely necessary and at times are actually uncomfortable/restricting on riders. Many looping coasters were built in the 70s and 80s without shoulder harnesses. More parks are going back to that. In a lot of cases looping coasters with lapbars also have foot guards to keep you in place in crazy transitions.

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07/22/13 at 11:34pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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Couldn't they augment the lap bar restraints by having seat belts as well?
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07/22/13 at 11:36pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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Yes. Seatbelts are usually included as an extra failsafe in case the lapbars pop up. Not sure if Gerstlauer provided SFOT/Fiesta Texas with seatbelts on their lapbars, but in this case they apparently didn't.

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07/22/13 at 11:47pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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(07/22/13 11:36pm)netdvn Wrote:  Yes. Seatbelts are usually included as an extra failsafe in case the lapbars pop up. Not sure if Gerstlauer provided SFOT/Fiesta Texas with seatbelts on their lapbars, but in this case they apparently didn't.

Or it did not fit and was overlooked.
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07/23/13 at 07:18am in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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Bad time for Gerstlauer. The track on Smiler broke this week too.

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09/11/13 at 06:13pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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According to reports NTG will be reopening this weekend with new lapbars and seatbelts as a redundancy check. I also imagine the restricted rider envelope (how large people can be to ride) will be in place and enforced like it has with Iron Rattler and Outlaw Run.
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03/07/14 at 09:07am in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant (Latest Edit: 03/07/14 at 09:20am by Nicole.)
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Just came across this report:

'Texas Giant' Builder Blames Six Flags in Death

The article is here.

Quote:The German manufacturer of the Texas Giant at Six Flags over Texas is blasting the amusement park.

In a cross-complaint filed in the case involving the death of a Dallas woman, Gerstlauer Amusement Rides said the park is solely to blame for the accident.

On July 19th, Rosy Esparza got on the Texas Giant and soon after plummeted to her death.

In the new court document, Gerstlauer said, "Six Flags failed to exercise reasonable care in their hiring, training and supervision of the ride operators... on the date of the accident."

Specifically adding, “…by not activating the Emergency Stop button at their fingertips when a Six Flags employee observed... Esparza's lap bar was 'too high' as the train left…"

Attorney Frank Branson, representing the Esparza family, said interviews with employees show that one of the workers operating the ride “had a button that could have stopped and should have stopped the ride,” but that button was not pressed.

The German maker also said Six Flags had a hand in designing the ride. Six Flags has blamed the death on a dangerous, defective ride.

Gerstlauer Amusement Rides said the park “expressly designed and specified in writing that there be no seat belts.”

Soon after the accident, seat belts were added, and there was a test seat put out, so people could see if they could safely get on the ride. Gerstlauer Amusement Rides said that seat was provided for the park two years prior to the accident, but never used.

Six Flags over Texas responded to the countersuit.

“The manufacturer assured Six Flags that the Texas Giant, without seat belts, was safe for riders. As an additional safety measure, when the ride re-opened in September, we added incremental and overlapping safety measures including re-designed restraint bar pads and new seat belts. The safety of our guests is our number one priority,” said Six Flags over Texas spokesperson Sharon Parker.

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03/07/14 at 12:39pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant (Latest Edit: 03/07/14 at 02:27pm by Zachary.)
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Not gonna lie, I'm calling massive BS on Gerstlauer's seatbelt claim. Gerstlauer has happily built many a ride with only lapbars- a good number of which invert. They may have a defense with the employee testimony but that seatbelt stuff is blatent nonsense and Gerstlauer is only hurting the industry by bringing it up.

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03/07/14 at 12:40pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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I see gratuitous seatbelts being added everywhere...

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03/07/14 at 12:45pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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With the industry being shot in the foot by the morons at Gerstlauer, I don't doubt it.

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03/07/14 at 01:00pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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(03/07/14 12:40pm)Nic Wrote:  I see gratuitous seatbelts being added everywhere...

I see a lot of unnecessary seat belts on many Intamins and some woodies, but never a Gerstlauer.  I have to agree with Zach here.  In fact, I have to call BS on a lot of this report of theirs.


Quote:Specifically adding, “…by not activating the Emergency Stop button at their fingertips when a Six Flags employee observed... Esparza's lap bar was 'too high' as the train left…"

This is not the fault of any employees or Six Flags, and it's really terrible that the manufacturer is trying to blame them.  If a restraint is not in the proper locked position in the station, it should never be able to leave.  The manufacturer is to blame for the lack of a safety backup.  Any other ride's computer would not let that train be sent.  If I was working that ride and even thought that the restraint looked possibly a bit off, I'd assume it was fine because the computer let it be sent.  It's a little hard to tell just visually; people's sizes and other factors cause those restraints to always look different and often look not locked enough, even if they are.

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03/09/14 at 02:48pm in Lady Thrown From The New Texas Giant
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On a B&M I see the computer refusing to dispatch trains that in any ride operators opinion would appear to be very snug and secure restraints so I am in agreement with you there Franco.

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