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07/02/17 at 11:18pm in Concepts Think Tank
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Not in the England section there's not.

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12/02/17 at 01:04am in Concepts Think Tank
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Before I share my thoughts, I want to say that I don't believe this is in any way likely at least within the next 10-20 years. That being said, also I realize this sounds crazy and completely stupid for business, but I thought I'd share these anyways so try not to bash too hard. This is purely fan fantasy and under the assumption that S&S owns Arrow products.

S&S Suspended Coaster

Obviously, this would be in Verbolten's site ultimately replacing it and returning the Wolf. With S&S working with Busch, they would work to create a prototype with the same layout as the original Wolf, perfected in design to decrease maintenance and increase reliability and smoothness. However, nothing would be the same as the original. Replacing a favorite launch coaster to a lot of people with this only appeals to enthusiasts of old Busch Gardens alone. If Verbolten were to cause problems in the future, which is doubtful, and the park was looking to replace it, a return of the Wolf could be interesting.

S&S Screamin Swing

This, on the other hand, I believe should happen and soon. After riding Skyhawk at Cedar Point, a high thrill flat like this would be much appreciated. I invisioned one of these fitting next to Apollo's Chariot in Festa Italia or in New France as a Catapult replacement, either themed respectively to their hamlet. This crossed my mind years ago before Tempesto and InvadR were built and the concept would probably be better accepted without those two rides already existing.

S&S Space Shot/Turbo Drop

Before Battle for Eire, (which I think is much better than this tower) I thought about that old concept from the 90s and how that could be implemented into Ireland as an indoor/outdoor launching tower ride out of castle ruins.

Again, none of this is likely but it's three models that S&S could produce for Busch Gardens. I'm not looking to create a developed concept with any of this but they are just ideas.
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12/02/17 at 09:10pm in Concepts Think Tank
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(12/02/17 01:04am)AIR Wrote:  Before I share my thoughts, I want to say that I don't believe this is in any way likely at least within the next 10-20 years. That being said, also I realize this sounds crazy and completely stupid for business, but I thought I'd share these anyways so try not to bash too hard. This is purely fan fantasy and under the assumption that S&S owns Arrow products.

S&S Suspended Coaster

Obviously, this would be in Verbolten's site ultimately replacing it and returning the Wolf. With S&S working with Busch, they would work to create a prototype with the same layout as the original Wolf, perfected in design to decrease maintenance and increase reliability and smoothness. However, nothing would be the same as the original. Replacing a favorite launch coaster to a lot of people with this only appeals to enthusiasts of old Busch Gardens alone. If Verbolten were to cause problems in the future, which is doubtful, and the park was looking to replace it, a return of the Wolf could be interesting.

S&S Screamin Swing

This, on the other hand, I believe should happen and soon. After riding Skyhawk at Cedar Point, a high thrill flat like this would be much appreciated. I invisioned one of these fitting next to Apollo's Chariot in Festa Italia or in New France as a Catapult replacement, either themed respectively to their hamlet. This crossed my mind years ago before Tempesto and InvadR were built and the concept would probably be better accepted without those two rides already existing.

S&S Space Shot/Turbo Drop

Before Battle for Eire, (which I think is much better than this tower) I thought about that old concept from the 90s and how that could be implemented into Ireland as an indoor/outdoor launching tower ride out of castle ruins.

Again, none of this is likely but it's three models that S&S could produce for Busch Gardens. I'm not looking to create a developed concept with any of this but they are just ideas.
Scrapping Verbolten and bringing back the Big Bad Wolf is a fanboy fantasy of mine ever since riding Ninja at Six Flags Magic Mountain. I’m just desperate for a suspended on the East Coast again. Between bringing back the Wolf and Project Madrid being a killer giga of some sort, Busch Gardens Williamsburg could make Kings Dominion look like Six Flags America.

I may be biased, but I get the feeling that Verbolten is far from acclaimed. The Big Bad Wolf placed 24th on the Golden Ticket Awards steel list its final year of operation. Verbolten has yet to place in the list of 50.

Also, yes to a Screamin Swing. I experienced the greatness of this flat ride at Valleyfair.
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12/28/17 at 05:52pm in Concepts Think Tank (Latest Edit: 12/28/17 at 06:43pm by SLC Headache.)
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On second thought, if the return of the Big Bad Wolf is impossible, or if it would have to be tamed to the point where it's as weak as Iron Dragon for it to not be a maintenance nightmare, then the next best thing - or possibly even better - to replace Verbolten would be an RMC Topper Track woodie.

The Black Forest motif would have made much more sense for a wooden coaster tearing through the forest than for a launch coaster whipping through a show building. They should have gone with GCI for 2012, but I have a feeling corporate mandated a launch coaster or something. Oh well, InvadR is a very good family wooden coaster, so a more intense wooden coaster would be an excellent complement. Such a ride could also compete with Twisted Timbers, if not Lightning Rod or El Toro.

As for a layout, they should send trains the opposite direction to start the ride. The Big Bad Wolf's ending turns become a quiet prelift. (Vaguely inspired by GhostRider's prelift).

I'm biased for sure, but I'd be happy seeing even empty space or a Howl-O-Scream trail replacing Verbolten.

Verbolten is to BGW's coasters what London Rocks was to BGW's shows.

Tempesto can be a flat, if you tip it over.
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12/29/17 at 11:07am in Concepts Think Tank
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(12/28/17 05:52pm)SLC Headache Wrote:  On second thought, if the return of the Big Bad Wolf is impossible, or if it would have to be tamed to the point where it's as weak as Iron Dragon for it to not be a maintenance nightmare, then the next best thing - or possibly even better - to replace Verbolten would be an RMC Topper Track woodie.

The Black Forest motif would have made much more sense for a wooden coaster tearing through the forest than for a launch coaster whipping through a show building. They should have gone with GCI for 2012, but I have a feeling corporate mandated a launch coaster or something. Oh well, InvadR is a very good family wooden coaster, so a more intense wooden coaster would be an excellent complement. Such a ride could also compete with Twisted Timbers, if not Lightning Rod or El Toro.

As for a layout, they should send trains the opposite direction to start the ride. The Big Bad Wolf's ending turns become a quiet prelift. (Vaguely inspired by GhostRider's prelift).

I'm biased for sure, but I'd be happy seeing even empty space or a Howl-O-Scream trail replacing Verbolten.

If they ever went that route, I think a great spiritual successor to BBW would be a S&S family suspended coaster with the exact same layout.

Too bad we have Alpie already and I can't see a second suspended going in like that.
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12/29/17 at 11:46am in Concepts Think Tank
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(12/29/17 11:07am)warfelg Wrote:  
(12/28/17 05:52pm)SLC Headache Wrote:  On second thought, if the return of the Big Bad Wolf is impossible, or if it would have to be tamed to the point where it's as weak as Iron Dragon for it to not be a maintenance nightmare, then the next best thing - or possibly even better - to replace Verbolten would be an RMC Topper Track woodie.

The Black Forest motif would have made much more sense for a wooden coaster tearing through the forest than for a launch coaster whipping through a show building. They should have gone with GCI for 2012, but I have a feeling corporate mandated a launch coaster or something. Oh well, InvadR is a very good family wooden coaster, so a more intense wooden coaster would be an excellent complement. Such a ride could also compete with Twisted Timbers, if not Lightning Rod or El Toro.

As for a layout, they should send trains the opposite direction to start the ride. The Big Bad Wolf's ending turns become a quiet prelift. (Vaguely inspired by GhostRider's prelift).

I'm biased for sure, but I'd be happy seeing even empty space or a Howl-O-Scream trail replacing Verbolten.

If they ever went that route, I think a great spiritual successor to BBW would be a S&S family suspended coaster with the exact same layout.

Too bad we have Alpie already and I can't see a second suspended going in like that.
Two inverts isn't unreasonable. Kings Island, Carowinds, and Canada's Wonderland all have Vekoma family inverts to complement their bigger inverts. La Ronde has both an SLC and a Batman. Dorney had three inverts, down to two as Stinger is being removed.

A family invert (preferably swinging suspended) could complement Alpengeist pretty well.

Verbolten is to BGW's coasters what London Rocks was to BGW's shows.

Tempesto can be a flat, if you tip it over.
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12/30/17 at 09:10pm in Concepts Think Tank (Latest Edit: 12/30/17 at 09:14pm by bill s.)
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An idea I want to post is a mine train, but a family invert like you're discussing in the last post could be used instead in the same way.

The mine train would be a scenic one, such as along the shores of the Rhine and/or even including something like the mini town scenes like BBW did, perhaps those could be used right up against Verb's show bldg. The advantage of a smaller, slower coaster is it can come closer to scenery, not requiring huge fences and cleared areas for safety. The idea here is also to add a much milder ride than anything but Grover ... actually very similar trains and tech could be used (one idea I had looking at the trains is if the seats could adapt to 1 large person as well as 2 small ones) including tire-based lifts and launches (although LSMs are smoother). Launch tech, much milder than usual of course, would allow layouts not workable otherwise without pacing-killing multiple lifts (although one in the right place might not), and for intensity to build over the course of the ride rather than the usual coaster which is literally downhill. The maximum intensity would include some pops of air, a sense of speed and curves exceeding 2 Gs but only in the last third of the course, and no quick transitions. It would clearly be aimed at those who most rides are too intense for, and yet the length, scenes and quality would make it fun and pleasant for everyone.

As to Project Madrid, it would seem to me too much to open an entire new hamlet and a huge coaster the same year -- though of course they would want the long term plans together to do it at all. So it seems quite possible to me that the 315' is an observation tower or swings ride. The question is whether BG wants to take on KD or not with gigas (which would result in the VA-Carolinas region becoming the gigacoaster capital of the world!). Either way, the mine train would be an excellent addition for a new area.
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