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02/15/18 at 12:29am in Loch Ness Monster
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(01/29/18 10:34pm)Shane Wrote:  
(01/29/18 09:35pm)Shane Wrote:  Halfabee is correct, those are Arrow trains you are looking at in that photo, not Vekoma trains. All Vekoma coasters had Arrow built rolling stock until they debuted the MK-1200 in the early 90s. These would be the black and read trains illustrated below.

Some time in the late 90s they debuted their second generation trains, the MK-1210. These ones were more rounded like the pink train below.

All of the "pointy" nosed Vekoma coasters built up until this point had Arrow built trains ending with the debut of the MK-1200 due to contract agreement with Arrow. It is safe to come to the conclusion that Vekoma designed the MK-1200 and MK-1210 trains in response to Arrow's multiple bankruptcy's and their inability to rely on Arrow being able to provide trains for their future projects.

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Had to edit my initial post. I miss identified the MK-1210s as MK-1200s

Also want to credit ParkVault with helping me figure out the models of the trains and remind everyone to check out their extensive detailed history of Vekoma.

Glad I could help! The history of Vekoma is a lot more extensive than most people expect. I wrote those articles as a small project and it ended up nearly as long as my B&M Inverted Coaster history that I wrote after.
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02/17/18 at 10:42am in Loch Ness Monster
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when can we expect the update on the renovations/changes to the coaster information? Im getting curious !

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02/24/18 at 07:56pm in Loch Ness Monster
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My friend had training on Loch Ness today. He said the trains looks completely different. The main difference he said was that the headrests are significantly taller.
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02/24/18 at 08:03pm in Loch Ness Monster
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Have they made the cars people-sized yet?

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02/24/18 at 08:07pm in Loch Ness Monster
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(02/24/18 08:03pm)Merboy Wrote:  Have they made the cars people-sized yet?

Don’t know. Haven’t seen em yet. Pre season training is currently going on, so if I can get more details I’ll gladly share them with you guys.
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02/24/18 at 09:34pm in Loch Ness Monster (Latest Edit: 02/24/18 at 09:49pm by Zachary.)
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Now that staff training has started, let's talk about these "new trains."

First off, I've seen nothing to suggest that the trains in question are actually completely new. From the evidence I've seen, it appears to me that the chassis are almost certainly recycled from the previous set and it is just everything above them that is being replaced. Again, I'm not sure of this, but that is what the circumstantial evidence is currently suggesting.

Secondly, these new fiberglass bodies seem to be modeled after later generation Arrow trains than Loch Ness Monster initially ran. That said, they don't seem like perfect replicas of any specific train but, instead, an amalgamation of elements from a number of different designs—all brought together to create some sort of new, Frankenstein-equse imitation Arrow train design.

That sounds negative, but I really don't intend for it to be read as such. In fact, it seems pretty smart to comb through the various Arrow looper train iterations and build a "greatest hits" train of sorts—featuring beneficial elements from the various different models.

So, with all that said, what is different about these new Loch Ness Monster train bodies?
  • The new car bodies are very similar to those currently found on Anaconda at Kings Dominion. Gone are the flared fenders around the wheel wells (picture for reference). Instead we have a smooth, flat body around the wheel wells (example). The solid train wall at shoulder height has also been dramatically reduced in size compared to LNM's original design (example of the new size).
     
  • That's not to say they are identical though. I'm not yet sure whether or not LNM's new train bodies have the same pair of rounded horizontal "pinstripes" down their length as can be found on many similar Arrow trains. Additionally, the metal bars around the shoulder area of the new bodies are substantially different than anything I've seen on trains of this style (they are still chrome too!).
     
  • Perhaps the most notable changes with this new design (vs both LNM's original bodies and typical Arrow bodies) are the trains' headrests. They are much taller than normal Arrow looper trains. A good example of these "skyscraper" headrests can be found on Tennessee Tornado at Dollywood (picture).
     
  • I know a lot of people were really hoping for some sort of restraint change, but, for better or for worse, the new bodies seem to be fitted with the same exact restraints as we've long been accustomed to.
     
  • Unfortunately there is one other negative I have to mention here... May the orange stripe rest in peace. Frowning
Anyway, all that said, I'm really looking forward to talking to someone from Design & Engineering about these changes because, to be honest, overall, this seems like a somewhat bizarre linear alteration. With such a substantial investment, I would have expected to see some more substantive modifications to improve guest experience.

That said, I don't want to downplay the importance of these changes. Every investment into a ride this age is a huge deal and the park should be commended for it.

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02/24/18 at 10:49pm in Loch Ness Monster
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Any word on a full scale animatronic Nessie in the tunnel?
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02/24/18 at 11:50pm in Loch Ness Monster
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(02/24/18 09:34pm)Zachary Wrote:  Now that staff training has started, let's talk about these "new trains."

First off, I've seen nothing to suggest that the trains in question are actually completely new. From the evidence I've seen, it appears to me that the chassis are almost certainly recycled from the previous set and it is just everything above them that is being replaced. Again, I'm not sure of this, but that is what the circumstantial evidence is currently suggesting.

Secondly, these new fiberglass bodies seem to be modeled after later generation Arrow trains than Loch Ness Monster initially ran. That said, they don't seem like perfect replicas of any specific train but, instead, an amalgamation of elements from a number of different designs—all brought together to create some sort of new, Frankenstein-equse imitation Arrow train design.

That sounds negative, but I really don't intend for it to be read as such. In fact, it seems pretty smart to comb through the various Arrow looper train iterations and build a "greatest hits" train of sorts—featuring beneficial elements from the various different models.

So, with all that said, what is different about these new Loch Ness Monster train bodies?
  • The new car bodies are very similar to those currently found on Anaconda at Kings Dominion. Gone are the flared fenders around the wheel wells (picture for reference). Instead we have a smooth, flat body around the wheel wells (example). The solid train wall at shoulder height has also been dramatically reduced in size compared to LNM's original design (example of the new size).
     
  • That's not to say they are identical though. I'm not yet sure whether or not LNM's new train bodies have the same pair of rounded horizontal "pinstripes" down their length as can be found on many similar Arrow trains. Additionally, the metal bars around the shoulder area of the new bodies are substantially different than anything I've seen on trains of this style (they are still chrome too!).
     
  • Perhaps the most notable changes with this new design (vs both LNM's original bodies and typical Arrow bodies) are the trains' headrests. They are much taller than normal Arrow looper trains. A good example of these "skyscraper" headrests can be found on Tennessee Tornado at Dollywood (picture).
     
  • I know a lot of people were really hoping for some sort of restraint change, but, for better or for worse, the new bodies seem to be fitted with the same exact restraints as we've long been accustomed to.
     
  • Unfortunately there is one other negative I have to mention here... May the orange stripe rest in peace. Frowning
Anyway, all that said, I'm really looking forward to talking to someone from Design & Engineering about these changes because, to be honest, overall, this seems like a somewhat bizarre linear alteration. With such a substantial investment, I would have expected to see some more substantive modifications to improve guest experience.

That said, I don't want to downplay the importance of these changes. Every investment into a ride this age is a huge deal and the park should be commended for it.
Thank you for the update. Have they done anything in the tunnel? Lights? smoke? Like they use to have.
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02/25/18 at 01:33am in Loch Ness Monster
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Any word about the entire coaster getting a fresh coat of paint or new chain lift? Or anything for that matter?

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02/25/18 at 11:43am in Loch Ness Monster
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(02/25/18 01:33am)Lord Robert Wrote:  Any word about the entire coaster getting a fresh coat of paint or new chain lift? Or anything for that matter?

Those white tarps were because the paint had to be scraped, and if any paint chips fell into the Rhine, there would be some nasty legal matters. So yes, parts of the ride got repainted. For what we know, the entire ride could’ve been repainted during the off season.
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02/25/18 at 07:57pm in Loch Ness Monster
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I hope so. I wonder if anything else other than the coaster itself is getting some new touches for it's 40th (mostly with the queue and station).

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02/26/18 at 01:36am in Loch Ness Monster
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I would like to see more thematic elements in the main queue. The only place you’ll find a prominent theme is in the overflow queue, which hasn’t been used in years. Even on busy HoS days it isn’t used.
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02/26/18 at 03:04pm in Loch Ness Monster
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I still do not understand why they leave it shut all the time. It's almost the same distance to get to the station (Assuming you don't duck under the switchbacks). It's really cool to walk through, and the effects of the extended queue still work great. Having it mandatory to walk through wouldn't take anything away from the guest, and if anything, having to walk through it just adds to the experience.

Even if you politely ask the employee at the ride entrance, they almost always tell me that i'm not allowed to go that way. What is the park hiding? Nessie has the 2nd most theming of all the coasters at the park and hardly anybody knows it! Let the world know!

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02/26/18 at 03:05pm in Loch Ness Monster
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Perhaps they don't want it destroyed the way the inside of DarKastle was during Christmas Town.

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02/26/18 at 03:55pm in Loch Ness Monster (Latest Edit: 02/26/18 at 03:56pm by Zimmy.)
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I have to say, when it used to be mandatory it became a bit of a PIA, and people used to cut across it and do horrible things.  Kind of like they used to do to the bushes at Bolt.  I wouldn't mind them opening it from time to time when the park is busy and Nessie itself is not as its own attraction, (with its own entrance and exist) and not as part of the Nessie line.

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